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Subject: Re: counting constraints?
From: Ian Tickle I {- dot -} Tickle {- at -} ASTEX-THERAPEUTICS {- dot -} COM
Date: 2008-02-14

Peter,

Sorry I re-read your e-mail & realised you're asking a slightly
different question from the one I answered. Of course you count the
restraints in your structure, not the ones in the dictionary, so in the
example you give there would be 4 not 1. Each bond, angle, torsion, VDW
contact, B-factor difference, NCS restraint etc in the structure counts
as one. For planes you formally should count (#atoms_in_plane - 3)
since 3 of the planar deviations are not independent (i.e. 3 points
define a plane).

And of course as Bart said they are restraints not constraints: each
constraint *reduces* the parameter count by one.

-- Ian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk
> [mailto:owner-ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Meyer, Peter
> Sent: 14 February 2008 15:48
> To: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
> Subject: counting constraints?
>
> Hi,
>
> The recent discussion on Rwork/Rfree ratio reminded me of
> something I was wondering about (*). When counting
> constraints as observations for determining the observation
> to parameter ratio, is each unique constraint counted, or
> each time a given constraint is used. For example, if there
> are 4 carbon oxygen bonds (assuming the same parameters,
> let's say serine beta-carbon to serine gamma-oxygen), would
> this count as 4 constraints as observations, or 1?
>
> Intuitively, it seems to me like it should be counting unique
> constraints (although as near as I can tell these aren't
> listed in refmac5 logfiles). But I don't have a clear
> explanation for why, and of course I could be wrong on this.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Pete
>
> * Rough translation - I'm about to ask another stupid
> question. Not like it's the first time.
>
>


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