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Date: 2008-04-01

I lost track. What's the date today?



On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, James Holton wrote:

>
> Dear CCP4BB,
>
> I think it prudent at this point for me to announce what could be a very
> old, but serious error in the fundamental mathematics of crystallography. To
> be brief, I have uncovered evidence that the "hand" of the micro-world is
> actually the opposite of what we have believed since Bijvoet's classic paper
> in 1951.
>
> Those of you who know me know that I have been trying to lay down the
> whole of x-ray diffraction into a single program. This is harder than it
> sounds. We all know what anomalous scattering is, but a detailed description
> of the math behind translating this "dynamical theory" effect all the way to
> the intensity of a particular detector pixel is hard to find all in one
> place. Most references in the literature about how anomalous scattering is
> connected to absolute configuration point to the classic Nature paper:
> Bijvoet et. al. (1951). Unfortunately, since this is a Nature paper, it is
> too short to describe the math in detail. For the calculations, the reader
> is referred to another paper by Bijvoet in the Proc. Roy. Acad. Amsterdam
> v52, 313 (1949). Essentially, the only new information in Bijvoet et. al.
> (1951) is the assertion that Emil Fischer "got it right" in his initial
> (arbitrary) assignment of the "R" and "S" reference compounds for the
> absolute configuration of molecules.
> I decided to follow this paper trail. The PRAA document was hard to come
> by and, to my disappointment, again referenced the "real" calculation to
> another work. Eventually, however, all roads lead back to R. W. James
> (1946). This is the definitive textbook on scattering theory (originally
> edited by Sir Lawrence Bragg himself). It is extremely useful, and I highly
> recommend that anyone who wants to really understand scattering should read
> it. However, even this wonderful text does not go through the full
> quantum-mechanical derivation of scattering, but rather rests on J. J.
> Thompson's original classical treatment. There is nothing wrong with this
> because the the exact value of the phase lag of the scattering event does not
> effect anything as long as the phase lag from all the atoms is the same. The
> only time it does become important is anomalous scattering. Even so,
> changing the sign of the phase lag will have no effect on any of the
> anomalous scattering equations as long as all the anomalous contributions
> have the same sign. The only time the sign of the phase lag is important is
> in the assignment of absolute configuration. Unfortunately, a full quantum
> mechanical treatment of the scattering process DOES produce a phase lag with
> the opposite sign of the classical treatment. This is not the only example
> of this sort of thing cropping up. One you can find in any quantum text book
> is the treatment of "tilting" a quantum-mechanical spin (such as an
> electron). It was shown by Heisenberg that a "tilt" of 360 degrees actually
> only turns an electron upside-down. You have to "tilt" it by 720 degrees to
> restore the initial state, or get it "right-side-up" again. This is very
> counterintuitive, but true, and unfortunately a similar treatment of
> scattering results in a phase lag of +270 degrees to "restore" the electron
> after the scattering event, not +90 degrees as was derived classically. To
> be brief, there is a sign error.
>
> Perhaps the reason why noone caught this until now is not just that the
> quantum calculations are a pain, but that it was very tempting to accept that
> the large body of literature following Fischer's convention would not have to
> be "corrected" by inverting the hand of every chiral center described up to
> that time. Unfortunately, we now have an even larger body of literature
> (including the PDB) that must now be "corrected".
>
> It is an under-appreciated fact in chemistry that anomalous scattering is
> arguably the only direct evidence we have about the "hand" of the
> micro-world. There are other lines of evidence, such as the morphology of
> macroscopic crystals and some recent STEM-type microscope observations of
> DNA. However, as someone with a lot of experience in motor control I don't
> mind telling you how easy it is to make a sign error in the direction of an
> axis. This is especially easy when the range of motion of the axis is too
> small to see by eye. You end up just swapping wires and flipping bits in the
> axis definitions until you "get it right". The "right" configuration (we
> have all assumed) is the one asserted in Bijvoet et. al. (1951). Apparently,
> the STEM observations fell prey to such a "mistake". But can you blame them?
> Inverting the "hand of the world" is going to be very hard for a lot of
> people to accept. Indeed, if anyone can find an error in my math, please
> tell me! I would really like to be wrong about this.
>
> -James Holton
> MAD Scientist
>

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